Did Krishna and Rama plan with greed to bring entire India and the people under their rule?
A devotee (Name Hidden) asked like this:
Hare Krishna Prabhuji. My friend used to believe in God but recently he has become an atheist. The reason he gave was that our Shastra is very casteist. He told about the caste system in Manu smriti which seem to be birth based and not based on occupation. In Mahabharat, when ghatotkach died, Krishna was very happy and dancing because ghatotkach was a rakshas and Krishna said that if he did not die Krishna would have killed him after the war. This was just because ghatotkach was not within the Vedic society. My friend says that Krishna sided with the Pandavas so that entire India comes under His control. He says that Ramayan also promotes war and Rama conquered the entire southern states and forced them to accept His control. That was the main reason why He made Vibhishan the king of Lanka. Same reason why He killed Bali. He says that these are purely selfish acts and after that Krishna wanted us to surrender to Him. It is like we should all love God otherwise there will be severe circumstances. I have quoted my friend but this has really hurt me. It will be a great help if you can help me. Please hide my name.
This is called pessimistic approach of God even when they come to save the people mercifully.
First, Lord Rama and Krishna did not care the caste or varna and they did not take avatars in Brahmana community. Krishna took avatar in Yadhava community. So, the caste consideration is childish in the case of the Lord’s activities.
Krishna and Rama have no need to conquer the countries and add to their wealth.
They are eternally situated in the Vaikunta planets and the entire creations are owned by them.
They have just allowed the system on he earth to continue. Whenever required, they come to earth and help the kings to abolish the demons, establish the dharma and save the devotees.
During this process, they have to involve in some partnerships with those who seek their support.
Even during the Mahabharatha war, Krishna was ruling just a small land of Dwaraka. Did Krishna desire to rule the Hasthinapura by taking them from Pandavas? He went to speak to Duryodhana to spare the lands meant for the Pandavas, not to Himself (Krishna).
Again, when both Duryodhana and Arjuna came seeking the help of Krishna, Krishna was very balanced in offering the support as chosen by Duryodhana and Arjuna .
Duryodhana wanted Krishna’s Army. Krishna did not refuse, but, gave.
Arjuna wanted to have Krishna alone with their side even without taking part in the war.
Krishna offered Himself to Pandavas.
Where comes the greed of Krishna here?
Ok, even after the end of the Mahabharatha war, Krishna let the Pandavas to rule their land and He just stopped with His own country Dwaraka.
Let us take Lord Rama. He ruled only the Ayodhya till He remained in this planet. He did not add Sri Lanka, Tamil Nadu, South states in His kingdom. He just helped the respected kings in those south zones on His way to Lanka.
Because, Rama needed the support of many kings on His march towards Lanka to bring back Sita Devi, killing Ravana.
In fact, Lord even did not have any plan to kill Ravana and capture Lanka. Lord was ready to forgive Ravana and gave back Lanka to him again if he was ready to release Sita Devi on his own.
Where comes the greed for Rama here?
Was capturing Lanka His actual plan? Did he add Lanka in His ruled countries list?
He won the war and gifted Lanka to Vibeeshana who stood by dharma by being with Lord Rama during His war with Ravana.
He just handed over Lanka to Vibeeshana and left to Ayodhya back.
At the end of Mahabharatha, Krishna was ruling Dwaraka only. In fact, Krishna did not take part in the war itself.
At the end of Ramayana, Rama was ruling Ayodhya only.
They did not add anything further for their own.
This is the reality.
So, your friend is actually a negative minded person and tell him not to add sins by doubting the activities of the creators Krishna and Rama.
Tell him to read this reply and get clarified.