Why Krishna is Supreme as Vyasa Puranas say many gods as Supreme?
Hare Krishna Myself ……………. from …………………..(U. P.) I have faced a question so Many time why you worship only Krishna? So that’s not a big deal I gave them satisfying and factful answer on the basis of brahma shamita or geeta or many books books given by his divine grace srila prabhupada. But as we all know there is always a clash b/w shiva worshipers and vaishnavs due to lack of knowledge on both side. That who is supreme personality of Godhead. There is some incident described in puarans, like sudarshan Chakra given to Lord Vishnu by Lord Shiva and some people tell a story that once Bhrama started arguing with Lord vishnu who. If Krishna is supreme, than a shiv Linga appeared b/w them but both of them couldn’t find the start and end of that Shiv jyoti linga. By using such Stories people always try to proof there way of thinking correct How and what should be the answer to such references from Our side??? I used to give them wordings of Lord bhrama in bhram shamita , wordings of Lord Shiva to goddess Parvati in padam purana And as well the wordings of Veda vyasa in bhagwat maha puran I which he is saying Yet chaansha Kala punsha Krishnaashtu bhagwan shwayam.. Kindly clear my confusion, thanks a lot Hare Krishna
“sir why krishna is said to be as a supreme godhead and all other vishnu rup (the one on sheshnag) and other gods eg. Shiva as demigod as we don’t even know about origin of shiv. sir, please tell Is shiv is demigod or not”
“At the time of preaching abt Krsna con., many of people offend by saying this how can u prove that krsna is a god almighty , there are shiva, ganesha, rama, sai baba, & many more.. o.k, we agree dat krsna is god but still many people worshipped demi gods , how i can prove that all demigods are not eternal, if they r not meant for worship, then why they come into existence??? Hope this would be clear very soon.”
There are 18 Puranas they are divided into 3 types u know that Sathvik Puran, Rajsika Puran and Thamasa Puran. Sri Math Bhagvatham ,Vishnu Puranam and Sri Math Bhagavatham which are Sathvik Puranam say Krishna as Supreme lord .Where linga puranam which is Thamasa Puranam say Siva as Supreme lord . In Tamil Magazine by ISKCON stated that if contrary of information is there in Puranas we must accept the opinion of Sathvik Puranam. So i accepted it but my friend who is in a blog which say that Siva as Supreme and creator of World say 18 puranas are arranged and written by Vyasa Deva why Vyasa deva has written in Linga Puranam that Vishnu and Brama could not see the leg and head of Siva and accepted Siva as Supreme it is said Puranam. “They mentioned that how Vyasa can write a wrong information in Linga purana and confuse ordinary people if he wants to write glories of Siva he must just write his glories alone why he wrote Siva as creator in Linga puran and in Padma puran writing Vishnu as Supreme. Why he confuse us and say refer to Satvik and accept Satvik better if he says Vishnu as Supreme lord worshipped by Siva in Linga Purana itself people would just worship Siva as a perfect devotee of Vishnu and there will be no fight between Vaishnava and Saiva from 10th Century itself .Please dont hesitate my question and give councelling in Krish and Bhagvat gita page this is needed much Prabhuji. My friend before 8 years told that there family before 20 years converted to another religion only because of many contraries that siva is supreme and Vishnu is Supreme it is big confusion and contrary still now which from 10 th Century which reduce and confuse people about Hindu Gods Vishnu and Siva they confuse as each say one siva is Supreme and Krishna supreme so other religions use this and criticise Hindus (Saiva and Vainava ) liers but we have only one god and change them to their religion and make fun of Both siva and Vishnu a clearance must be there to us which is perfectly right a expect u will right about this please reply me Prabhuji i will eagerly wait for ur councelling.Hare Krishna..
Yes. Vyasa dev wrote Siva as Supreme in Linga Puran and Krishna is supreme in Bhagavatham. He even praises other deities also. No doubt in it. It is not for lying. It is his trick and mercy. How? Read this:
But, the ultimate aim of Vyasa dev is to involve everyone into devotional practice and to stage by stage bring them to the topmost layer of Krishna Consciousness!
Bhagavatham speaks about so many rules and regulations to come up in the devotion to Krishna, such as, regulations in food, sex, etc. So, there will be no compromise in the rules given by Srimad Bhagavatham. If you speak about these strict rules to an illiterate or layman in your area, will he accept? No possibilities. Because they may be in the domination of thamo guna or Rajo guna.
So, Vyasadev wanted to include those people also in devotion. He wanted to make them atleast to come to any god without imposing strict rules and regulations.
So, he first wrote many Puranas like Siva Purana, Linga Purana, etc. These Puranas spoke about the respective gods. So, even a layman was able to worship his favourite god because, Vyasadev did not speak about strict rules in those Puranas. If a layman has to accept Krishna first, Vyasa dev has to speak about many rules and regulations because Krishna Consciousness is the most advanced form of devotion.
Without studying school studies, we can not expect that rickshaw wala to study P.hD. So, he first wrote other puranas glorifying Rajo guna and thamo guna gods. Somehow, the layman will come to the devotion to other gods. Then, birth after birth, he will gradually grow to the level of Pure devotion to Krishna. At that time, we can speak about higher form of pure devotion to Krishna through Satva guna puranas like Vishnu Purana, Srimad Bhagavatham, etc.
Among the works of Vyasadev, Srimad Bhagavatham is the ultimate and final work and hence it is the authority. Only after writing Bhagavatham, Vyasadev felt completion and satisfaction. So, among the different stages of devotion like thamo guna bakthi, Rajo guna bakthi and Satva guna bakthi, the last one is the favourite and recommended stage. So, Srimad Bhagavatham that is the satva guna purana is the ultimate purana. So, we have to take it as final authority.
Let me explain why there should be only one Supreme Personality of Godhead and Why Krishna is Supreme.
You go to an insurance company to claim some insurance maturity amount that is in dispute. At the entrance, you see a peon. He gets some details from you and then allows you inside.
Then, you meet the clerical assistant. He sees your papers and says that he is not the competent authority as he is just an assistant and hence asks you to meet the assistant manager. Assistant manager sees your papers and asks you some questions and then signs your policy.
Did he stop with that? No. He sends the same paper to the Senior Manager for final approval. Senior manager sees the details and confirms the authenticity of thee claim and then signs the papers.
Only after that, you will get that disputed Insurance settlement.
There are 300-400 district courts in every country (one per district and hence in 300-400 districts of a big country).
Next, there will be ONE high court in every state and hence a total of 30-40 high courts in a country since a country has 30-40 states like India, U.S.A.
Next, there is ONLY ONE SUPREME COURT in a country. Remember, there is ONLY ONE SUPREME COURT.
You should not ask why there should not be 4-5 Supreme courts in a country. A High Court judge should not say that he is also equal to the Supreme Court judge. Only if he is promoted to Supreme Court, he can become a Supreme Court Judge.
Thus, you accept that there are various levels of posts in a company with only one Chairman; And, the authority and decision of Chairman is final.
You also accept that there are various levels of courts in a country with only one Supreme Court. And the authority and decision of the Supreme Court is final.
You also agree that though there are many chief ministers in a country, there will be only one Prime Minister.
You also agree that though there are many Governors in a country, there will be only one President.
But, what is the problem for the people in accepting that there will be only one Supreme Personality of Godhead, and many other posts like Demigods and celestials?
What prevents them in accepting that there can be ONLY ONE POST OF SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD and all the others are in many other posts like Demigods and celestials?
Ok, for the argument sake, you agree that.
Next, let me explain now, Why Krishna is Supreme Personality of Godhead, Not any others.
First, no others claim that He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Krishna claimed in Bhagavad Gita.
Neither Lord Shiva, or Ganesha or Karthikeya, etc said in record that they alone are the Supreme and Krishna is not.
Let us know what Srila Prabhupada says why Krishna alone is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and about the origin and position of Demigods:
(i) Srila Prabhupada in BHAGAVAD GITA AS IT IS: Ch-4, Text-12:
“Actually, the demigods are not different forms of God, but they are God’s different parts and parcels. God is one, and the parts and parcels are many. The Vedas say, nityo nityanam: God is one. Isvarah paramah krsnah. The Supreme God is one–Krsna–and the demigods are delegated with powers to manage this material world. These demigods are all living entities (nityanam) with different grades of material power. They cannot be equal to the Supreme God–Narayana, Visnu, or Krsna. Anyone who thinks that God and the demigods are on the same level is called an atheist, or pasandi.”
(ii) Srila Prabhupada’s discussion on September 18, 1973, Bombay:
Guest (2): No, No. But then what is the connection then between Krishna and Shiva?
Prabhupäda: Krishna and Shiva, just like ‘dahi’ and ‘dudha’. Dahi is nothing but dudha, but still it is not dudha.
Guest (2): It’s a a different form.
Prabhupada: Not different form, different action also. If you want milk, if I give you dahi, and if I say, “Oh dahi and dudha, the same thing. Why you are not accepting this dahi?”, will you accept?
Guest (2): Correct.
Prabhupäda: Although the same thing, but action is different. If you become devotee of Lord Shiva, you’ll get opportunity of material opulences. Because Lord Shiva is the husband of Durga, and Durga is the superintendent of this material world. So Durga is under control. If one becomes a devotee of Lord Shiva, then Durga gives him, eh? Dhanam dehi rupam dehi rupavati-bharyam dehi yaço dehi. So you’ll get all this, nice position, nice wife, nice power, famous… All this material, not spiritual. So to worship any other demigod than Krishna is materialism. That is not spiritualism.
Guest (1): Worshiping Vishnu is also material?
Prabhupäda: No. Vishnu is not. Vishnu is Krishna, Vishnu the same, expansion. That you have to understand.
(iii) The prayer to be offered to Lord Shiva is mentioned in Brahma-samhita (5.45):
“Just as milk is transformed into curd by the action of acids, but yet the effect curd is neither same as, nor different from, its cause, viz., milk, so I adore the primeval Lord Govinda of whom the state of Sambhu (Siva) is a transformation for the performance of the work of destruction.”
We have to pray to Lord Shiva in connection with Lord Krishna. And we can seek his blessings in becoming nice vaishnavas as he is the Topmost Vaishnava. But our original object of worship should always be the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri Krishna.
(iv) SHIVA IS “SARVESHVARA”; KRISHNA IS “JAGAD-ISA”:
Srila Prabhupadda’s Purport for Srimad-Bhagavatam 8:12:4:
“The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Visnu, resides within the material world as the sattva-guna-avatara. Lord Siva is the tamo-guna-avatara, and Lord Brahma is the rajo-guna-avatara, but although Lord Visnu is among them, He is not in the same category. Lord Visnu is deva-deva, the chief of all the demigods. Since Lord Siva is in this material world, the energy of the Supreme Lord, Visnu, includes Lord Siva. Lord Visnu is therefore called jagad-vyapi, “the all-pervading Lord.”
Lord Siva is sometimes called Mahesvara, and so people think that Lord Siva is everything. But here Lord Siva addresses Lord Visnu as Jagad-isa, “the master of the universe.” Lord Siva is sometimes called Visvesvara, but here he addresses Lord Visnu as Jagan-maya, indicating that even Visvesvara is under Lord Visnu’s control. Lord Visnu is the master of the spiritual world, yet He controls the material world also, as stated in Bhagavad-gita (mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sacaracaram). Lord Brahma and Lord Siva are also sometimes called isvara, but the supreme isvara is Lord Visnu, Lord Krsna.”
Thus, Brahma is connected with material world. Krishna controls all creations, ie, both spritual and material worlds.
(v) Srila Prabhupada’s Discussion on 11.5.1977:
“All Vedic literature agrees that Krsna is the source of Brahma, Siva and all other demigods. In the Atharva Veda it is said, yo brahmanam vidadhati purvam yo vai vedams ca gapayati sma krsnah: ‘It was Krsna who in the beginning instructed Brahma in Vedic knowledge and who disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past.’
Then again it is said, atha puruso ha vai narayano ‘kamayata prajah srjeyety upakramya: ‘Then the Supreme Personality Narayana desired to create living entities.’
Again it is said, narayanad brahma jayate, narayanad prajapatih prajayate, narayanad indro jayate, narayanad astau vasavo jayante, narayanad ekadasa rudra jayante, narayanad dvadasadityah: ‘From Narayana, Brahma is born, and from Narayana, the patriarchs are also born. From Narayana, Indra is born, from Narayana the eight Vasus are born, from Narayana the eleven Rudras are born, from Narayana the twelve Adityas are born.’
It is said in the same Vedas, brahmanyo devaki-putrah: ‘The son of Devaki, Krsna, is the Supreme Personality.’
Then it is said, eko vai narayana asin na brahma na isano napo nagni-samau… [break] … dyav-aprthivi na naksatrani na suryah sa ekaki na ramate tasya dhyanantah sthasya yatra chandogaih kriyamanastakadi-samjnaka stuti-stomah stomam ucyate: ‘In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality Narayana. There was no Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Krsna, who creates all and enjoys all.’
In the many Puranas it is said that Lord Siva was born from the highest, the Supreme Lord Krsna, and the Vedas say that it is the Supreme Lord, the creator of Brahma and Siva, who is to be worshiped.
In the Moksa-dharma of Mahabharata, Krsna also says, prajapatim ca rudram capy aham eva srjami vai tau hi mam na vijanito mama maya-vimohitau : ‘The patriarchs, Siva and others are created by Me, though they do not know that they are created by Me because they are deluded by My illusory energy.’
In the Varaha Purana it is also said, narayanah paro devas tasmaj jatas caturmukhah tasmad rudro ‘bhavad devah sa ca sarva-jnatam gatah : ‘Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahma was born, from whom Siva was born.’
Lord Krsna is the source of all generations, and He is called the most efficient cause of everything. He says that ‘Because everything is born of Me, I am the original source of it all. Everything is under Me. No one is above Me.’ There is no supreme controller other than Krsna. One who understands Krsna in such a way from a bona fide spiritual master and from Vedic literature, who engages all his energy in Krsna consciousness, becomes a truly learned man. In comparison to him, all others, who do not know Krsna properly, are but fools. Only a fool would consider Krsna to be an ordinary man. A Krsna conscious person should not be bewildered by fools. He should avoid all unauthorized commentaries and interpretations on Bhagavad-gita and proceed in Krsna consciousness with determination and firmness.”
Thus, In Srimad Bhagavatham purports, Srila Prabhupada has said that Lord Shiva is NEARLY equal to Vishnu, but, when Shiva controls the affairs of material world, he comes in touch with this material world. Whereas, though Krishna is managing all His creations through a vast group of devotees, He is not attached with these material worlds. So, Only Krishna can liberate a person from the material worlds.
However, Lord Shiva can help us in advancing in the devotion to Krishna. Because, Lord Shiva Himself is the devotee of Krishna as per Bhagavatham.
Krishna is the main root. All other deities are like branch roots. If you pour water to main root, it will automatically reach branch roots also.
Krishna is the ADHI PURUSHA, ie, He has no origin. All the others are the expansions and avatars of Krishna for various purposes of maintaining His creations.
NOW, LET US READ SOME RELATED DETAILS FOR BETTER UNDERSTANDING
(A) WHERE BRAHMA LIVES?
Brahma Dev is the controller of “Brahma Loka” that is the top most “material planet”. He came from Krishna Himself at the time of creations. Even Brahma is subject to birth and death. Present Brahma has completed half of his life time. After the completion of another half, this Brahma will die and new Brahma will be appointed by Krishna. This is the procedure. So, Brahma is totally different from the other two. He is in material world.
While Brahma is one of the living entities, he is very powerful due to his devotional service. Lord Brahma is the master of the mode of material passion, and is directly empowered by Garbhodakasayi Visnu to create innumerable living entities.
(B) WHO IS BHAGAWAN?
Bhagawan means Krishna alone. We are all athma and we came from the Paramathma, ie , Krishna. And, Krishna is free from birth and death and He is the creator of entire creations.
Since Krishna is the ADHI PURUSHA, He alone existed before creations. He has appointed many devotees like many Brahmas to take care of the affairs of all the worlds. He is always in lilas with his associates in His eternal living place Goloka Vrindavana.
(C) WHO ARE TRIMURTHIS?
They are three guna-avataras, or qualitative incarnations of Visnu, also known as the ‘Trimurti’: Brahma, Visnu and Siva.
(D) Why in Shiva Purana, Lord Shiva has been projected as the Supreme and the Source for the creations?
Actually, among 18 puranas, some Puranas represent Rajo guna; Some Puranas represent thamo guna; And some others represent Satva Guna. Among these three categories, Srimad Bhagavatham comes under satva guna purana and it is considered as the topmost secret one should know in life. So, the deity that is glorified in Srimad Bhagavatham is final and topmost authority.
Other Puranas glorify the respective Gods to enhance the faith of the devotees of those gods who are dominated with thamo and rajo gunas. They will not straightaway come to Krishna because of their domination in Thamo and/or Rajo Gunas. Atleast they will be in devotion to that god now. Later, they will come up stage by stage to read Satva Guna Puranas like Vishnu Purana and Srimad Bhagavatham. Then, they will understand the Supreme Position of Krishna.
If one is dominated by Rajo Guna, he worships Brahma; If one is dominated by thamo guna, he worships Lord Shiva. Whereas, those who are dominated by satva guna, worship Lord Krishna.
Because, in the stage of Satva guna, we would have attained the knowledge of who is the supreme Lord by reading satva guna literatures like Srimad Bhagavatham that is the topmost authority about Lord Krishna.
Though some thamo guna and Rajo guna puranas like Shiva Purana speak of Lord Shiva and Brahma also supreme, the satva guna purana ‘Srimad Bhagavatham’ establishes that Lord Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and other Vishnu thatvas like Lord Shiva are demigods.
Thus, though other puranas glorify other gods, the last purana Srimad Bhagavatham is the Satva Guna Purana and hence it is the topmost authority to decide about the Supreme Position of Gods.
We have to make conclusions based only on SATVA GUNA Scriptures. Not with the details given in Thamo guna puranas or rajo guna puranas or our own perceptions and conveniences.
Satva Guna is associated with the intelligence. So, satva guna people intelligently identify Krishna as Supreme Personality of Godhead and surrender to Him. This does not mean Lord Shiva is not to be worshipped. Lord Shiva comes very close to Krishna. And, Lord Shiva is the perfect devotee of Lord Krishna. So, we must honour Lord Shiva. Krishna is very happy when His devotees are honoured.
Let us respect all the forms of Krishna like Lord Shiva and Brahma. We should not speak degrading anyone. Let us offer our respects to Lord Shiva, Ganesha, Karthikeya, etc. Particularly, I have great respects with all the forms of Krishna and I pray for my improvement in the devotion to Krishna from all the demigods. At the same time, let us recognize the positions enjoyed by them and the unique position enjoyed by Krishna. There is no need for any dispute in that. Krishna is the Adhi Purusha and the Paramathma who is the source for everyone and everything we know including Lord Shiva and Brahma!
GOD means Krishna. Though you offer prayers or things to any other deity, it finally goes to Krishna only. This is told by Krishna Himself in Bhagavad Gita.
Hope all of you are clear about Why Krishna is Supreme.